Someone posted in a group I am in that they left another film making Facebook group because there were a lot of "jobs" being advertised "for the experience". They were told they should be doing it for the art and money was just a concept.
I think this goes to show that student film makers need to be educated into realising when they budget for a film they need to budget for payment to those taking part.
By letting new film makers get away with believing everyone is going to do it "for the art" it causes a lot of problems long-term for everyone. After all, at some point, presumably, they will themselves feel they want to get paid for their skills and if everyone is doing it for free on even bigger projects there will be an outcry.
I think we are already that that stage, largely due to the "let's all do it for the good of the project" mentality that really only ends up being for the good of the producers of the project.
I think everyone has done work for "free" at some point but unless it's as a special favour to a friend you should be getting something of value out of it, if not money itself. Reciprocity is important! Though there is only so much showreel footage anyone needs and only so many promises of credits. They need to come up with more than that to get away with expecting things of people.
Also, as everyone who counts as a worker is now entitled to at least national minimum wage and holiday/sick pay, they are shaky legal ground if they don't offer it. Especially if they expect to sell it on.
A year or two ago I did a job for a film school (based in a well known film studio) where I was told I would be paid, and for which the school definitely have a set day rate. The students decided not to pass any of the payment details on to the accounting department so all the people promised payment had to contact the college directly and sort it out. I am worried a lot of the students are trying to work some sort of scam or (to be kinder to them) are incompetent or just careless.
Another film school student promised footage but then never sent it and actively blocked the actors in her project from applying to other projects in the school, because she didn't want the competition.
A lot of lecturers in the past have passed on Spotlight log in details to students, on the understanding the students will pay actors, and then students post unpaid roles.
Spotlight has cracked down as it flouts their terms, but I think these students have just moved to CCP and other sites with less regulation.
And the "perks" tend to be dodgy anyway. I did one film school production where they forgot to get me food and provided me with some crisps as an alternative, and they booked me into a room with my co-actor, who was luckily very nice but who I had never met before, and who was a man. There was a toilet/shower in the corner of the room, which we also had to share and which didn't have a proper door.
Film students need a better grounding into what is acceptable, all round.
Though I have also ended up working for very little on projects for grown ups who should know better than to exploit the people working for them.
there is very little money to be made for anyone in short films, but this has started to happen more and more in features.
Which is why people starting out need to get their heads around proper budgeting. Apart from anything if they haven't got professional working conditions they are probably not insured wither. And it is for their own good to do things properly - I only just discovered the BBC and ITV won't even show a programme or film if it hasn't got the PACT or BBC pay agreements or the equivalent - so it severely limits where the thing will end up.
Indie festivals for crappy low budget productions are all very well but the chances of getting further, or getting proper distribution, are low.
If it looks low budget and shoddy then it probably is. If it looks professional and you haven't paid anyone, then this in, many ways, is worse. Especially if there was money spent on things that were not people working on the film.
This is not just the actors - crew are often required to do it "for the art", "experience" or "love of the thing". It's balls.
Profit share and profit percentage work are great if you have a tiny part in a big budget movie (see Marlon Brando in Superman) but are next to useless in a film that will never be seen.